The parents should be ashamed of themselves, putting their young children in that situation in those conditions

Jacks Rake in wind, hail and rain?

Very clever!

Well done Sticklebarn!

are the parents insane !

never mind doing a Grade 1 gully in bad weather conditions but for both of them to actually leave/ no abandon their kids !

I do hope social services are involved and the Police .
the poor kids left by their parents what were they thinking of?. thank god the kids didnt decide to follow their parents this could have been a lot worse.

and a massive thanks to the MRT. and for the Stickle Chips ;-)

S Winter ML and a parent

I thought it was closed some years ago. Crazy to take children on it. (Glad they all safe and that we have Mountain Rescue).

Alan.. defunct argument.. Sheepy.. I'm sure they weren't the only people on Jack's Rake that day, or any other day this week.. Ian.. too right!! and the only sensible comment so far.. Caldera.. closed? Jack's Rake or Stickle Barn? Both are very open.. and why do all the negative comments come from people who hide behind pseudonyms?

How many of us have strayed onto difficult ground or got crag fast?

I have and no doubt will do so again, of course no one supports foolhardiness or MRT call outs that could have been avoided, still after all those chips from Sticklebarn maybe a bit of strenuous training is advised.

Well done all for a good outcome and let's hope Mum & Dad get some training and have many days on the hills with the kids.

Nick, Sheepy is my nickname and what most people who know me, call me. So it's not really a Pseudonym as such. Being a Lancastrian I call a spade a spade, it's not negative, it's just a fact.

Whilst you guys in MRT do an admirable job and I don't begrudge anyone enjoying some time in the hills, there comes a point when common sense should take over. I'm afraid that too many people don't seem to take any responsibility anymore for there own actions and too many other people are happy to make excuses for them. (Thats not just walking in the hills either).

I was in the Langdales last Sunday with a planned walk to ascend Pike of Blisco and then onto Crinkle Crags. I had a couple of people in my small party who were first timers on the hills. At the summit the wind was so strong that it was lifting my "slender" 16 Stone off my feet. I decided that discretion would be the best part of valour and to carry on to Crinkle Crags would be foolish. That is what is called common sense. We came back down via Browney Gill and enjoyed a few pints in the pub. The Crinkle Crags will still be there another day.

Although I have been to the top of Pavey Ark more than once, I have never been up Jack's Rake and if I were to do so it would be without my wife & my 14 year old son (my walking partners), whom I know would be terrified. I also think that the first time I attempt it I would probably try a nice dry, wind free, sunny day. That's common sense!

In over 30 years of walking in The Lakes, North Wales, Scotland and the Pennines I have never had to call out MRT. I've never found myself in a difficult position or "lost".

You may think that that is being smug or just lucky, I would say it is down to preparation, planning, being well equipped, knowing how to use that equipment and making common sense decisions and not risking other peoples well being.

Good on The Sticklebarn! Pity it wasn't the weather for one of their pizzas.

Very well said sheepy

I hope it hasn't put the children off going onto the fells

Lovely that the kids were rescued upwards rather than being lowered down - street cred in tact and hopefully non the worse for their experience!

Everyone so quick to judge, it's only Jacks Rake not Everest in winter. Kids love this sort if scrambling, it is better than playing on an X Box. Grough really don't help by posting every mountain rescue it seems. There is more news around than rescues, by over reporting you are surely adding to the health and safety obsessed fears of large numbers of the public who fear everything in nature it seems. Well done Nick for the excellent work and pitching in with some common sense.

Caldera - are you thinking of lords rake

You learn by your mistakes - hopefully the family have, and you never know in years to come one of the kids might remember this when they are leading a walking party and call it a day when the rain sets in!
Me and the missus have done the Wainwrights and I can think of a few occasions when if one of us had twisted an ankle the story could of been.
'Walker rescued from Great Gable in gale force winds'
'Walker rescued from Wetherlam as snow sets in'
We were always careful and well equipped but when something out of the blue happens things can change so quickly. My wife slipped going down Yewbarrow and rolled 15ft down the hill. Thankfully just winded.
At least the article doesn't mention 'Ill equipped' 'hypothermia' 'no maps' etc like so many other rescues. and the parents made the children stay somewhere safe. Sometimes what it doesn't say can speak volumes...

Having climbed Jakes rake lots of times in the last 30years. Weather conditions and how wet the rock is. Is my priority. The adult member must have thought it was a easy climb. It's not . The children where probably left on the ledge which is pretty safe as its 30foot long and can be upto 10 foot wide. This ledge if you are stuck there is about half way up and you can not return down .

Ryan

Everyone is so quick to judge without knowing all the facts. All three of the family had climbed Jacks Rake many times before and the parents over many years. Unfortunately they got caught out in the poor weather. The safest option, was to leave the children, who in fact are all young adults who have been to the lakes for many years, in the safest place on the scramble while the parents quite rightly called for support.

Agree with the comments about people on this website being far too quick to judge. People also need to realise that the media often only tells the parts of the story of most interest, leaving out the relevant and important details that would otherwise remove the sensationalism of the article.

Chris, Nick and a few others make some very valid points. The decision to leave the children where they were does indeed seem to have been the sensible choice in this instance.

This particular incident doesn't appear to be a lack of commonsense, perhaps just unfortunate circumstances.

And if an incident is caused by the arm chair pundits favourite excuse 'lack of commonsense', then we who have the most experience, skills and qualifications need to find a way of plugging this knowledge gap and helping these people out before they hit the hill as opposed to casting judgement afterwards.

Undoubtedly lessons will be learnt and hopefully not repeated. But isn't this how we learn and grow as human beings? Any sport/hobby that we are seeking to challenge ourselves then mistakes are made in our progression in experience. I know i have made errors over the years and through luck and decisions to correct them then I have been OK, not everyone is so lucky.

Good on this family for wanting to share an adventure on a great piece of rock, with the lessons learnt i don't doubt they will be back on the hills!