The PDNPA say that disability scooters and wheelchair users will still be able to use Long Causeway and The Roych. So that's all right then is it?
Have they ever been to either of these old roads? They must be taking the Mickey.
If Chris Pennell would like to demonstrate how my disabled father might go along Stanage or The Roych in a wheelchair, or in an electric scooter or tramper on his own or with similarly equipped friends, I'd love to see how it's done.
As it is, Mr Pennell's committee have banned my father from the occasional drive along these rocky and uneven routes, because a recreational 4x4 will now be illegal to use, as it isn't a 'recognised invalid carriage'.
The routes were legal carriage roads, with ruts and potholes, long before the national park was invented, but Mr Pennell and his cronies have taken away motoring rights permanently without a thought about people not as mobile as them selves.

So yet again the people who drive hundreds of miles and litter every layby and bit of verge with their cars to walk on the very small piece of unsurfaced road left amongst the miles of paths want that closed too.

I thought the Peak Park was for everybody. Clearly not.

I don't mind betting the restrictions to motor vehicles will make any difference to the repair bills. Most of the damage to the route is caused by water run off. As a resident of the High Peak I'm disappointed the PDNPA is taking this stance. I had thought the Peak District was for all but as said it seems to be becoming a walkers only zone.

Presumably the land is worth more without the vehicular rights.

Be handy when they sell it off to pay their legal bills.

Good. It's about time motor vehicles were banned from this green lane. They have made a considerable mess of it and behave without any consideration for other users. Move on fellas, it isn't a 'road' in any sense of the word and hasn't been since pack-horses stopped using it.

And how do you think the pack-horses left it?

Have a look at some of the historic records to see what the 'natural' state of these roads was.

People have been using the green roads in the peaks for recreational motorcycling since before WW1. The problems with 'damage' have largely come about due to the post WW2 boom in 'rambling' (with optional spikey poles for making more of a mess with).

Add to that the average townie expectation that the countryside will be quiet and peaceful (that's always been a laugh) and you have the ingredients for the situation where the people who are complaining about a 'problem' are in fact the cause of it.

Can't you just roam on the right to roam land, and leave the roads to us?

The great outdoors, the great escape, what do people want from these places? I enjoy a good fell run! It is obvious to me that we all enjoy green lanes for different reasons. The sheep on these paths, tracks and open land don't keep bleating on about who should use them. Keep them open, accessible and get on with it!

Chris Pennell is a member of a private organisation that campaigns to ban MPV's from green lanes, yet he is also a member of the PDNPA ARP comittee that are voting to close the green lanes. Shocking conflict of interest there. Truly shocking.

He's not just a member Rob, he's the chairman!

He had a laugh about it at the last meeting..."hehehe someone's made a complaint about it," he said.

Just goes to show the degree of institutional bias. Any normal person would have stood down.

When the TROs are in place it will be interesting to see if they dare prosecute anyone for driving/riding them. The defendant could use the court as a platform to expose the degree of malpractice within PDNPA and I expect one or two people would be looking for new jobs afterwards.

So national parks and countryside are for all. Not any more, just for the rich who can bend the ear of ministers. Illegal use will only increase due to these measures. Manage access not close it.

Congratulations, another do-gooder! I am a farmers son, I have ridden off-road bikes since I was a child, the county side is for all to enjoy, there are good and bad hikers bikers walkers, to say the damage is caused by just vehicles is not correct, water erosion is the main culprit that can be exacerbated by pedestrian and vehicles. Now about wildlife, when motor vehicles pass bird nests, burrows and wildlife, the animals and birds hide and then the noise passes and they return to natural life. When a dog invades a nest or burrow then the parental animal abandons the eggs or young leaving them to starve to death. Using the countryside is about being responsible, respect others freedom to use the countryside and in return they should respect you. I slow for pedestrians cyclists horse riders etc. So much for a free country, it's a shame the councils do not have funds for pot holes on the highways let alone boat roads. I have volunteered to resurface some trails near where I live as did 25 other off road riders.

Typical of this country , one group wants to force its one sided views on everyone . If the walkers are so concerned about the damage being done by other path users maybe they should campain for a total ban on the use of the paths . Then again they wouldn't want to spoil their own days out would they .

I wander how many of the ramblers, walkers, climbers and recreational city folk fly abroad each year for a holiday? Now that's real environmental damage we could do without.
All liberal non-deciders with pitiful lives who have done nothing other than soak up the demise of something else that they don't REALLY care about nor understand.The "antis" will go too far, anti-christ syperstar.
Hail Satan. Hail the Heathens.

No surprise there! This will have no doubt been decided by the usual jumped up jobsworths sat around a table,,all trying to make a name for themselves,and justify their job.I would put money on most of them not even being from the area!

Mr Pennell has written by his own hand his intention to ban all motorcycles from the Peak Park, yet he is allowed to chair these meetings in which his bias is admitted. Meetings should be unbiased, the outcome on public will. He also thinks that his involvement in the closing of the coalmines worthy of praise ( even though he never sold one bag of coal) but thats another story. He lives in Sheffield in the Dore/Millhouses area and volunteers his time ( after all he has nothing else to occupy his time) to destroy decent hardworking individuals there right to freedom to enjoy the Peak Park in their chosen pastime. Many of these individuals fought for their freedom and he has no right to be allowed to have any involvement in this. Clearly Mr Pennell has every intention of spending the tax payers money on policing every lane, footpath and bridleway in the Peak Park (if this was at all possible) when he has closed all the legal trails.

Tell you what why don't you just Tarmac the road then wouldn't that solve all your problems. Off roading is a hobby just like walking and cycling... So are going to ban cyclist from the road because they spend most of their time in the middle of the road holding everyone up. There was never any problem of 4x4s driving up there if walkers didn't like it there should have been a certain time slot for 4x4s and off roaders to go up there so everyone could of enjoyed the countryside in which ever way they wanted too. So are we going to complain about the walkers and the mountain bikes and the climbers? No I don't think so. Because us off roaders are not as petty as some people and oh have a life. Unfortunately you can't control everything! It will only take one person... Then what are you going to do ban every one just to protect a road.

Tiny bit of power and you think you can do what you like..... Oh dear. Keep it open! Go landrovers